Picking the 10 “best” or most favorable cartridges for hunting any animal is a highly subjective and challenging task. Unfortunately, the rifle simply didn't give spectacular accuracy with them. Throat so I can load slugs such as the 175 RN Hornaday out to get max powder capacity and my intent is to use this for MOOSE! I wish I had never sold that one. Eventually, Hornady's Joe Theilen — who competes in 1,000-yard benchrest disciplines with his .280 Ackley Improved — helped me see the light, touting outstanding barrel life coupled with above-par ballistics. The Winchester Model 52 is a fine, handbuilt smallbore match rifle that was once known as the... David Fortier talks with Jeff Hoffman of Black Hills Ammunition about the evolution of the .308 Win. Match bullet. However, Pratt cautioned that titanium tends to gall if too much grit or crud gets into the locking lugs. The .270 Winchester, .280 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved, and 7mm Remington Magnum are all wonderfully suited for hunting medium game like mule deer, blacktail deer, whitetail deer, roe deer, fallow deer, pronghorn, and feral hogs. 175 Gr. That 77-V in 7mm Remington Express (280 Remington) was an Antelope and high plains Mule Deer killing MACHINE! Personally not that it matters I'd get a bigger caliber as opposed to a bigger bullet. I have been working up some loads for my .280 Rem., with 22" barrel. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. However, it was introduced in a different time, when the ascendancy of the bolt action wasn’t as clear as it is today. Hunting with match bullets — including Berger's hunting-branded VLD, which originally began life as a match bullet — is something I've always avoided. Plus, in a pinch I could use standard .280 Remington ammo in the Improved chamber. We look at the futuristic .450 Bushmaster and how it compares to the tried and true .45-70. Each was discarded for one reason or another. As a result, while they are very capable in their intended realm, they don't qualify for competitive shooting wherein extended-string accuracy and minimal point of impact shift are imperative. In performance, the.280 Ackley Improved typically adds 100 to 150 fps to standard.280 Rem. The resulting accuracy was 0.75 MOA, which is definitely plenty good for hunting, but vague pressure signs accompanied the accuracy node I found via ladder tests. With the 3-18X 44mm Leupold custom VX-6 scope mounted in Talley lightweight one-piece mounts, the Summit rifle in .280 Ackley Improved weighs 7 pounds, 15 ounces — lighter than I had hoped. Ackley and Fred Huntington and known previously by a variety of names such as the “.280 Rem. It's a standard-length cartridge, so I had to accept more weight than I'd originally hoped. With all due respect to Jack O’Connor, his favored.270 load with a fast stepping and fast expanding 130 grain bullet is … The bigger the animal, the more heated that debate tends to be. Hot-barrel testing proved the load was consistent and the rifle tremendously accurate. We ping steel with a .300 WinMag at over a mile. Although many sheep rifles fitted with ultra-slim barrels are superbly accurate over three shots, they do not hold that accuracy over 10 consecutive shots. A challenge to create one rifle that does everything took hold of me some time ago and tormented me during more than one sleepless night. That said, the .280 produces optimum performance with 150 to 162 grain bullets. Discussion in 'Hunting' started by salthouse, Jun 19, 2006. At first I was inclined to use a custom titanium action and have Steve Pratt of Elk Meadow Performance build the rifle. 280 Remington As Goldilocks. To try out the rifle in competition, I ran the 2016 Vortex Extreme Challenge, a 7.5-mile cross-country race with targets to 1,200 yards. Without doubt, it's P.O. Lacking a close-range target, Jenna dialed to 460 yards and centerpunched a small rock. While possible, it's not ideal. A 280 AI can safely fire 280 Remington ammunition, simultaneously fire-forming brass cases to reloadable 280 AI dimensions. The 7mm Remington Express was simply the 280 Remington with a "fancy monicker"! Used the 160 PT in my previous 280 on whitetail, mule deer, elk and moose. No moose or bison tags have shown up in my mailbox, so the rifle's authority on North America's biggest hooved game remains theoretical. Aside from the cartridge (which I'll get to shortly), the last piece of the puzzle was an appropriate scope. Short to medium range (100-200 yard) moose cartridges. A similar result at 780 yards and she was sold on the rifle. Impact velocity with the Berger was about 2,775 fps, and the fragmenting bullet destroyed a considerable amount of meat. I ran inspiringly tiny control groups with the Berger load, then tried Barnes's 168-grain LRX, a fantastic hunting bullet that I've seen take a splendid assortment of African plains game. All Rights Reserved. Mike Degerness of Proof Research exhorted me to come to my senses and go with the .280 Ackley Improved. in this video of a beautiful B.C. Although expensive by typical match-barrel standards, the company's carbon-fiber wrapped barrels offer honest mountain-rifle weight combined with exceptional accuracy. It can be loaded with everything from 100-grain Sierra Hollow Points to 195-grain Berger Elite Hunters. Armed with the two handloads — the Berger for use in competition and on game up through small to medium elk and the Barnes for mature, heavy-boned, and densely muscled bull elk, moose, and bison — I'm well equipped for darn near anything. Nonplussed, I turned back to the Berger load. For lighter bullets there will be about a 100 fps difference in velocity, and not much change in impact at normal hunting ranges. As a plus, the carbon-fiber wrapping seems to dampen vibration, making for a very forgiving barrel. There is very little difference between them ballistically inside of … |   As for the cartridge, it must have a high-BC bullet of moose adequate diameter and weight at respectable velocities, thus producing bona fide authority and minimal wind drift, all this without scorching the barrel inside of 2,500 rounds or kicking the stuffing out of me over long practice sessions. However, there's no arguing with the quick, clean kill. Light weight is critical when hunting high elevations, and the author's Proof Research Summit rifle proved to be ideal for prowling Utah's alpine country. 175 Gr. Why not just use the outstanding, proven Creedmoor and be done with it? Just noticed this was resurrected from a year ago.Wonder if he had any luck. For readers unfamiliar with the cartridge, it is simply the .280 Remington that's had its shoulder angle and body taper "blown out" to increase internal capacity. You can see how a bull moose reacted to my 7mm Rem. With the competition completed using the Berger load, I returned to searching for a super-accurate handload with the Hornady ELD-X line. The latter enabled me to run updated ballistic calculations and dial in MOA should I end up shooting in atmospheric conditions vastly different from the 6,000 feet elevation and 50-degree temperature the turret was calculated at. The .280 Remington, also known as the 7mm-06 Remington and 7mm Express Remington, was introduced in 1957 for the Remington model 740, 760, 721, and 725 rifles. In performance, the .280 Ackley Improved typically adds 100 to 150 fps to standard .280 Rem. These cheap postwar variants offer perhaps the best value on the vintage-Mauser market. The end of the road between Sodom and Gomorrah Tex. We're taking a look at what the Army's Elite Units are using for service rifles and what the future of SOCOM sniping looks like. While they are not necessarily perfect, they are the minimum recommended moose cartridges. The 300. 280 Remington for Moose. Scottso Member. Initially, I intended to shoot Hornady's 162-grain ELD Match bullet in competition and switch to the same-weight ELD-X version for hunting. Now, aside from the AR-15 I keep handy for personal protection, the Summit is the rifle I reach for most. Plus, while barrel life is good, usually somewhere between 2,000 and 3,000 rounds depending on how aggressively the shooter pushes his handloads, it's no .308 Winchester or 6.5 Creedmoor in terms of barrel life. Perhaps a tad bit better gun because of the killing power and the small amount of recoil. Then in 1986 I had a full custom Rifle built for myself in caliber 280 Remington. Big bore semiauto or a lever gun? Subscriber Services. Both deflated and elated, I realized that all I had to do was pick the right cartridge and put a Summit to work. Determined to work up a moose-capable hunting load, I later circled the handloading wagons back to the Barnes 168-grain LRX bullet, trying different powders and seating depths I struck gold, settling on a charge of 59.0 grains of IMR 7828, which produced 2,903 fps and average groups of 0.45 inch. Knowing that I'd be using the rifle in various challenging environments from the desert Southwest to high alpine mountains, I decided to man up and carry the weight of steel. Chris Polley of Proof Research happened to hand me one of the company's Summit model rifles while visiting at a tradeshow. Best of all, it achieves this efficiently by burning considerably less powder and generating less recoil than the 7mm Rem. Fired at 2,700 fps, a high-BC 7mm bullet of at least 160 grains would provide wind drift and drop similar to a 140-grain 6.5mm projectile fired from the Creedmoor, with added frontal diameter, mass, and energy. It shoots flat for long-range work and is an extremely accurate cartridge. ISS Prop House gives us the rundown on the guns used in Enemy at the Gate. Also, if you want to hunt something really big, like Alaska moose, you can use 175-grain bullets in the.280, while the top end for the.270 is 150 grains. Importantly, barrel life would be high and recoil would be low. I took the Berger bullet hunting. I like deep wound channels, not to mention the generous blood trails provided by exit holes. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. No company builds such barrels better than Proof Research. The 30-284 wildcat used the same loading data as the 30-06. Not too hard, not too soft, not too fast, not too slow, but just right because it shoots mid-caliber .284-inch diameter bullets. Page 2 of 2 < Prev 1 2. mountain hunt: velocities and nips at the heels of the 7mm Remington Magnum. Best of all, it achieves this efficiently by burning considerably less powder and generating less recoil than the 7mm Rem. James Tarr runs through the 3-Second Headshot drill. Only one barrel type that I'm aware of is both sheep-rifle light and competition capable, and that's a properly constructed, carbon-fiber-wrapped barrel. Yes, I realize that we're talking about a .280 rather than a .270, here, but to those of us who've seen the data and drained coffeepots over discussions on the comparison of the two, I'd have to say that it's splitting hairs to try to find much difference between the two calibers' respective downrange performances. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. I'm not a fast runner, but that's no fault of the rifle. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. Rem shoots unbelievably well with 140 hornady Amax pushed at 2847fps and the 140. Of the many fine long-range optics available, Leupold's VX-6 3-18X is the lightest scope (19 ounces) that offers the features critical to serious long-range shooting. 2. I have a Remington Custom Shop .280 Remington that weighs just six pounds and will group at ½ MOA. Super-accurate? She required a follow up shot, but that was my fault (bullet placement) not bullet performance. Instead of defining scoped sheep-rifle weight as 7.5 pounds, a naked rifle weight of 6.5 pounds — which is about what one of O'Connor's rifles would have weighed bare — seemed appropriate. Jenna's opportunity came close, so close that she fired offhand and absolutely poleaxed the buck at 55 yards. Best of all, the barrels hold their accuracy over extended shot strings and typically have no discernible point of impact shift. Eventually, a set of parameters established themselves in my over-fertile imagination, and I defined the mythical rifle that might do everything as follows. through the 7mm magnums are excellent choices with 150 to 175-grain slugs. Win mag I ended up selling and the new 260. Had it not been for the "moose-capable" criterion, I would have. Again, I was fortunate to bring back a bull. Developed by P.O. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. I've competed with it, hunted with it, and helped new shooters ring faraway targets with it. 280 Remington chambers can be easily converted to 280 AI. Yes, Scandinavian hunters have laid Nordic bulls low with the similarly performing 6.5x55 from time immemorial, but those are a smaller subspecies than North America's Alaska-Yukon moose. Rifles in the .280chambering outsold the other two combined. The .280 Remington can handle bullets up to 175 grains making it very versatile. 280 AI was standardized by Nosler in 2008 and, SAAMI approved, is now being sold as factory loaded ammunition. Mag. Homing in on the 600- yard plate, he squeezed the trigger and absolutely centered the 4-inch black dot. My opportunity to take a young bull elk came at about 6,000 feet on a balmy October morning — calibrated, almost, for the scope's turret. Before opening day of Utah's spike bull elk season, Dallin and I checked our zeros, and just for fun, I took two shots at 1,100 yards. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Did just fine. To offer the consistent accuracy necessary to successfully compete in long-range disciplines, a premium, perfectly true action was called for. .280 remington Been doing a lot of research on the.280 and it seems to be neck and neck with the ole work horse 30-06. So at last the .280 had overcome itsdismal beginnings and joined the pantheon of great hunting cartridges. Before this project, using just one rifle for every task had become a pretty obscure concept to me. The Canadian .280 Ross, a true rimless magnum, introduced in 1907, made quite a splash, but lagged because pre-World War 1 softpoints weren’t up to its high velocity. Mag. Win mag with whatever shot well out of it (most recently was using 215 hybrids never got to try out on moose) and a Remington 700 bdl 7mm mag back up rifle. With hand loads, the .280 can be adapted to a variety of game, from varmints to large framed, heavily built medium game. The .280 Remington is essentially the .30/06 necked down to 7mm with some slight dimensional differences, the most important of these that the shoulder is moved slightly forward so the .280 will not chamber in the .270. Elk don't typically react much to getting shot, but this one shuddered, staggered backward, and toppled in less time than it takes to tell. Great accuracy results, from a number of combos. More and more production rifles are being chambered for 280 AI … However, it's doubtful that any astute hunter would challenge the moose-dropping effectiveness of a well-constructed 175-grain 7mm bullet launched at 2,800 fps, which produces close to 3,050 ft-lbs of muzzle energy. Team partner Paul Dallin and I scored high in pure shooting results and respectably overall. Discussion Starter • #1 • Sep 2, 2006. I considered the 7mm-08, 7mm-08 Improved, .284 Winchester, 7mm SAUM, and various short-action wildcat cartridges that would allow me to keep weight to a minimum and still make the moose-terminating grade. One is a pointed Core-Lokt, one is a Nosler ballistic tip, and the third is a boat-tail spitzer bullet. 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Nor did the 175- grain version of the ELD-X, even using same-lot bullets that reliably produce bug-cluster groups in my custom 7mm Weatherby Magnum rifle. With a salute to Degerness's foresight, I put in an order for a Summit chambered in .280 Ackley Improved. Accurate? While I've had outstanding luck with actions by Nesika Bay, Stiller, and others, my personal favorites are made by Defiance. Mag. The .275 H&H, introduced in 1912, was never especially popular, but is suspiciously similar to the Remington cartridge that followed a … But Western Cartridge Company’s Lubaloy jacket, comprising 90 percent copper, 8 percent zinc and 2 percent t… The .280 is not a new design (appearing in wildcat form at the end of WWII) but did not become a factory round until 1957. I also used the 140 PT in a 6.5 x 55 Swede on a cow elk at 370 years ago, and it did put her down. ©2020 Outdoor Sportsman Group. Even at 10,100 feet elevation, which is as high as I've hunted with the rifle, it's not burdensome, yet I can lie down, rest the rifle over my daypack, and hit deer-vital-size targets to a half-mile with confidence (although I don't promote shooting game at such distances). The lightweight .280 Ackley Improved Summit is light enough for sheep hunting, accurate enough for long-range competitions, and powerful enough for moose. Here's a closer look at each of the three major criteria I used to build one rifle that does everything. I have a 25-06 that Im going to change out to a 280 Rem caliber. Although Jack O'Connor allegedly defined a mountain rifle — with scope — to weigh around 7.5 pounds, he was dealing with a different breed of optic than we have today. Bare rifle weight must be 6.5 pounds or less, so that once equipped with a capable long-range scope, sling, and full magazine it wouldn't tip the scales past 8.5 pounds, which is borderline too heavy for a kitted-out sheep rifle. 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